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Showing posts with label Postmillennialism. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Postmillennialism. Show all posts

Sunday, September 15, 2024

I Asked Meta AI Four Eschatological Questions

 

As a partial preterist [and idealist] postmillennialist I decided to ask Meta AI [artificial intelligence] some [4] eschatological questions. I was pleasantly surprised with the answers.


Review the Biblical data and then tell me which millennial view best comports with it; premillennialism or amillennialism or postmillennialism?


After reviewing the Biblical data, I'd argue that amillennialism best comports with the scriptural evidence. Here's a brief summary:

Amillennialism:

- Views the millennium (Revelation 20:1-6) as symbolic, representing the current church age, not a literal 1,000-year reign.
- Emphasizes the already-not-yet aspect of Christ's kingdom, where believers experience the benefits of salvation now, but await the ultimate consummation.
- Sees the final judgment and return of Christ as a singular event, rather than separate events separated by a millennium.

Why amillennialism best comports with the Biblical data:

- The Bible doesn't provide clear, explicit support for a literal 1,000-year reign.
- The Old Testament prophecies often blended near and far fulfillments, making it challenging to distinguish between the two.
- The New Testament emphasizes the inaugurated eschatology, where the kingdom has already begun, but awaits its ultimate fulfillment.
- Amillennialism better accounts for the complexity and diversity of biblical eschatological language.

Premillennialism and postmillennialism face challenges:

- Premillennialism:
    - Struggles to reconcile the separate events of the rapture, tribulation, and millennium.
    - Faces difficulties in explaining the relationship between Israel and the church.
- Postmillennialism:
    - Fails to account for the biblical emphasis on the already-not-yet tension and the presence of evil in the world.
    - Struggles to explain the final judgment and return of Christ as a singular event.

Keep in mind that eschatological views are complex and nuanced, and this summary is not exhaustive. However, based on the biblical data, amillennialism appears to be the most coherent and comprehensive perspective.


Do it again but on the assumption of the truth of partial preterism


Assuming the truth of partial preterism, which holds that many eschatological prophecies were fulfilled in 70 AD with the destruction of Jerusalem, I'd argue that postmillennialism best comports with the Biblical data.

Partial Preterism:

- Views many eschatological prophecies (e.g., Matthew 24, Revelation 13-19) as fulfilled in 70 AD.
- Recognizes the significance of Jerusalem's destruction as a pivotal eschatological event.
- Sees the present church age as the "last days" or "end times," with Christ's return still future.

Postmillennialism (in light of Partial Preterism):

- Emphasizes the gradual, incremental growth of Christ's kingdom, already inaugurated in the first century.
- Views the Great Commission (Matthew 28:18-20) as a mandate for worldwide evangelization and discipleship.
- Expects the gospel to prevail, leading to a golden age of righteousness and peace before Christ's return.

Why postmillennialism fits well with partial preterism:

- The destruction of Jerusalem (70 AD) marked the end of the old covenant age and the beginning of the new.
- The church's mission (Great Commission) is empowered by the Spirit, ensuring gradual success.
- Scripture emphasizes the kingdom's gradual growth (Matthew 13:31-33, Daniel 2:34-35).
- Postmillennialism accounts for the "already-not-yet" tension, with the kingdom already present but awaiting ultimate fulfillment.

Premillennialism and amillennialism face challenges in light of partial preterism:

- Premillennialism:
    - Struggles to explain the significance of 70 AD and its relation to eschatological prophecies.
    - Faces difficulties in reconciling the separate events of the rapture, tribulation, and millennium.
- Amillennialism:
    - Fails to account for the partial fulfillment of eschatological prophecies in 70 AD.
    - Struggles to explain the relationship between the inaugurated kingdom and the present church age.

Assuming partial preterism, postmillennialism provides a coherent and comprehensive framework for understanding biblical eschatology.


Review the Biblical and historical data and tell me whether partial preterism is more likely false or more likely true


After reviewing the Biblical and historical data, I'd argue that partial preterism is more likely true. Here's a summary of the evidence:

Biblical Evidence:

1. Jesus' prophecies in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 explicitly mention the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, which occurred in 70 AD.
2. The Book of Revelation contains imagery and language that parallels the events of 70 AD, such as the fall of Babylon (Revelation 18) and the beast from the sea (Revelation 13).
3. The New Testament emphasizes the imminent return of Christ, with phrases like "soon," "near," and "at hand" (Revelation 1:1, 22:6-7, Romans 13:11-12).

Historical Evidence:

1. The destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD is a well-documented historical event, recorded by Jewish historian Flavius Josephus and Roman historian Tacitus.
2. Early Christian writers, such as Clement of Rome (c. 96 AD) and Eusebius (c. 324 AD), interpreted Jesus' prophecies as fulfilled in 70 AD.
3. The absence of any mention of a future "great tribulation" or "rapture" in early Christian writings suggests that these events were seen as past or already fulfilled.

While there are some challenges and debates surrounding partial preterism, the cumulative evidence from both Biblical and historical sources suggests that it is more likely true. Partial preterism provides a coherent explanation for the fulfillment of many eschatological prophecies in 70 AD, while also acknowledging the future return of Christ.

However, it's essential to recognize that eschatological interpretations are complex and nuanced, and different perspectives exist. Ultimately, a thorough understanding of partial preterism requires careful consideration of the evidence and ongoing scholarly discussion.
Review the Biblical and historical data and tell me which is more likely, partial preterism or full preterism?


After reviewing the Biblical and historical data, I'd argue that partial preterism is more likely than full preterism. Here's a summary of the evidence:

Biblical Evidence:

1. Jesus' prophecies in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 explicitly mention the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, which occurred in 70 AD (partial preterism).
2. The Book of Revelation contains imagery and language that parallels the events of 70 AD, but also includes futuristic language and symbolism (partial preterism).
3. The New Testament emphasizes the imminent return of Christ, with phrases like "soon," "near," and "at hand" (partial preterism), but also teaches that the kingdom of God is already present (Luke 17:21).

Historical Evidence:

1. Early Christian writers, such as Clement of Rome (c. 96 AD) and Eusebius (c. 324 AD), interpreted Jesus' prophecies as fulfilled in 70 AD (partial preterism).
2. The absence of any mention of a future "great tribulation" or "rapture" in early Christian writings suggests that these events were seen as past or already fulfilled (partial preterism).
3. Full preterism requires a complete fulfillment of all eschatological prophecies by 70 AD, which is difficult to reconcile with the ongoing expectation of Christ's return in early Christian writings.

While full preterism has some appeal, the cumulative evidence from both Biblical and historical sources suggests that partial preterism is more likely. Partial preterism acknowledges the fulfillment of many eschatological prophecies in 70 AD while also recognizing the future return of Christ.

Keep in mind that eschatological interpretations are complex and nuanced, and different perspectives exist. Ultimately, a thorough understanding requires careful consideration of the evidence and ongoing scholarly discussion.





Tuesday, May 31, 2022

Jordan Peterson interviews Indian Christian Philosopher Vishal Mangalwadi on how the Bible transformed India & Europe

 

Jordan Peterson interviews Indian Christian philosopher, social reformer, political columnist, writer and lecturer Vishal Mangalwadi on how the Bible and the Christian worldview transformed India and Europe. It's an EXCELLENT interview that has postmillennial implications, which at the very least is consistent with postmillennialism.


India, Europe and the Biblical Revolution | Vishal Mangalwadi & Jordan Peterson
https://youtu.be/QvESPeFWLHw


Sunday, December 26, 2021

Greg Bahnsen Lectures and Sermons on Eschatology and Postmillennialism


 Dr. Greg Bahnsen’s “An Eschatology of Optimism” series

- Dispensationalism: http://www.tinysa.com/sermon/123120314395941


- Premillennialism: http://www.tinysa.com/sermon/123120318587950


- Covenant & Kingdom: http://www.tinysa.com/sermon/12312032042234


- Blessings of Covenant & Kingdom: http://www.tinysa.com/sermon/123120324572062


Dr. Greg Bahnsen's "Postmil & Pessimistic Passages" Series

- Matthew 24 & The Great Tribulation: http://www.tinysa.com/sermon/122153815534


- 2 Thessalonians 2 & the Man of Sin: http://www.tinysa.com/sermon/1221541103215


- Later Times & Evil Men: http://www.tinysa.com/sermon/1221543273090


Dr. Greg Bahnsen’s “Basic Training in Last Things” Series

- Understanding the Book of Revelation: http://www.tinysa.com/sermon/71321314384720


- The Millennial Question: http://www.tinysa.com/sermon/71321318268057


Dr. Greg Bahnsen’s “Gospel” Prosperity” Series

- Old Testament Prophets: http://www.tinysa.com/sermon/12215471731


- Parables: http://www.tinysa.com/sermon/1221549533626


Dr. Greg Bahnsen’s “The Nature and Future of Christ’s Kingdom” Series

- Part 1: http://www.tinysa.com/sermon/72421147297655


- Part 2: http://www.tinysa.com/sermon/72421154373266


- Part 3: (Refuting Premil Chronology and Amil Pessimism) http://www.tinysa.com/sermon/72421155181965


Dr. Greg Bahnsen’s “Why I Am a Postmillennialist” Series

- Earthly Expectation: http://www.tinysa.com/sermon/1221532277952


- The Nature of the Kingdom: http://www.tinysa.com/sermon/1221530211047


- Chronology of the End: http://www.tinysa.com/sermon/1221522533870


See also my blogpost:

Did the New Testament's Prophecies and Predictions Regarding Jesus' Soon Return Fail?



Saturday, November 27, 2021

Is Yahweh a Junior God?


The following question was asked in a Facebook Group I'm in. 


How would you respond to this argument?

We can't know for sure that Yahweh isn't a junior God who has been given part of the universe to run by the Supreme God and he has claimed more about himself than is actually true.


The following was my brief answer with working and added links:

Before I do some apologetics, ultimately, as James Anderson has said, the CHRISTIAN acquires certainty of the truth of Christianity when the external testimony of Scripture (or Scriptural truth) is coupled with the infallible internal testimony of the Holy Spirit. Or as Van Til said (alluding to the WCF), "I believe in this infallible book, in the last analysis, because 'of the inward work of the Holy Spirit, bearing witness by and with the word in my heart.' "


The Internal Testimony of the Holy Spirit by James N. Anderson

https://www.proginosko.com/2017/01/the-internal-testimony-of-the-holy-spirit/


We have no positive reason to think that's there is a God above Yahweh. We do have positive reason to think that Yahweh is the true God [see basic apologetical works]. These type of scenarios are often posited hypothetically because, allegedly Yahweh is an unjust God. But if another God [let's call him Ultimate God or UGod for short] higher and more powerful than Yahweh were "more" just, merciful and powerful, why isn't that God preventing Yahweh from committing the [alleged] atrocities he's doing? Why isn't UGod judging Yahweh and/or preventing Yahweh from allegedly making a mess of our universe? UGod must then have a similar sense of justice and mercy as Yahweh in his allowing the suffering/evil/sin in the world that he does and in delaying justice to a future eschatological Judgment Day. As non-Christians often say, justice delayed is justice denied. Yet, UGod is delaying justice in the same way as Yahweh is. And so, there's no rational reason to postulate a higher God above Yahweh. We might as well stay with Yahweh as per the principle of Occam's Razor/parsimony whereby we ought not to multiply entities beyond necessity.

If the argument about UGod were being based on the virtually universal Semitic conception(s) of a Divine Council, why couldn't Yahweh be that supreme God? Even Mike Heiser suggests this, and conservative Christians like Darrell Bock and Doug Wilson [et al] think there's some truth to Heiser's Divine Council thesis. Baal is arguably the most widely worshipped Semitic God previously, yet Baal worshippers have dwindled to insignificance.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/religionnow/2016/06/do-people-still-worship-baal/

 

The fact that those other Semitic gods have been virtually discarded and thrown into the dustbin of history such that very few people worship them any longer, while the three largest monotheistic religions on earth [Judaism, Christianity and Islam] are all Abrahamic should be telling. That Christianity is the most popular religion on Earth would be an inductive data point of evidence [not proof] that that the Christian God might be the true God. Christianity is the largest world religion. With 2.3 BILLION professing adherents. Add to that the 1.8 billion Muslims and the 14.7 million Jews and that's over 4.11 billion people out of 7.75 billion people who claim to follow Abraham's God. That's over half of the world population.

Judaism and Islam are clearly false conceptions of the God of Abraham when one does the apologetical investigation. BTW, the Roman Pantheon of gods, and the Greek Pantheon of gods are also for the most part forgotten. But admittedly, inductive inference doesn't get to certainty. There was also a time when Christianity was a small insignificant religion. Hindu gods are still being worshipped.

But Christianity is only still growing and making progress. Christianity is growing as expected given postmillennial interpretations of prophecy. As Daniel 2:35 states, the rock that was carved without hands is progressively growing to fill the whole earth/land that was once occupied by the former kingdoms which were represented by the image of Nebuchadnezzar and destroyed by that stone. Just as Jesus predicted that the kingdom of God is like leaven that eventually leavens the whole lump of dough. Or like the mustard seed in Jesus' parable that grows to be " larger than all the garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and make nests in its branches." Which is a clear allusion to the tree representing Nebuchadnezzar's widespread kingdom in his dream [Dan. 4:10ff.]. 

 



See these related blogs:

An Orthodox Jew Questions Two Comings of the Messiah Answered by Dr. Michael Brown

What Do You Think About The Messiah?

Did the New Testament's Prophecies and Predictions Regarding Jesus' Soon Return Fail?

Wednesday, May 24, 2017

Why I'm Provisionally a Postmillennialist Succinctly Stated



I've been a Christian for nearly 30 years and the more I study eschatology the less certain I become regarding which position is true.

In a Christian Facebook group someone asked everyone what their eschatological position was and why. Here's my response in blue. Any additional comments which I might post in the future will be in black.

1. It seems to me that God has intentionally inspired Scripture so that we cannot certainly determine which eschatological position is true. But broadly speaking we can have choices based on two issues: a) the timing of Christ's Return in relationship to the Millennium; b) to what degree the Gospel will succeed during the interadventual period. So, it seems to me that the most important and basic issue would seem to be the three general millennial positions.

2. If Premillennialism is true, yet I provisionally held to and lived as if Postmillennialism were true, at least I "expected great things and attempted great things for God" (as the saying goes). I tried to fulfill what I thought were the Cultural Mandate
[of creation in Gen. 2]  and the Redemptive Mandate of the Great Commission [of Matt. 28:16-20]. Spreading the Gospel and its benefits to all parts of the world in hopes of converting humanity to Christianity. Proclaiming the Kingship and Lordship of Jesus to "whom all authority has been given" and who had already sat at the right hand of God.

3. If Postmillennialism is true, yet I provisionally held to and lived as if Premillennialism were true, I'll most likely end up expecting too little and attempting too little for God (even if I tried not to fall into that psychological trap). I think Postmillers rightly label ***some*** Premillennialists as really being "Pessimillennialists". Pessimillennialism of course being a portmanteau of "pessimism" and "millennialism". I think therefore, that of the two, it's better to provisionally hold to Postmillennialism.

4. Since *most* brands of Amillennialism are usually not as optimistic as **any** brand of Postmillennialism, then when a comparison between the two are done, the result will be similar to the comparison between Postmillennialism and Premillennialism. In which case, it's better to hold (at least provisionally/tentatively) Postmillennialism.

5. The truth is that God often does things counter-intuitively. So what makes most sense to us echatologically might in fact be wrong. Universalism is probably the best example of this, and historically speaking, there have always been a very small minority of "Calvinistic" Universalists. Nevertheless, having said that, it seems to me (from my admittedly finite and subjective perspective) that Postmillennialism would bring most glory to God were it true, than if the other two options were true. As I hinted to above, I think Postmillennialism is also the position that best encourages people to attempt to bring God most glory in every area of life, family, theology, culture et cetera. Postmillennialism also seems to have a more glorious vision of Redemptive History. Premillennialism and Amillennialism seem to make God look like a failure. Whereas Postmillennialism seems to be most consistent with a Calvinistic view of God's power to save and redeem (though I emphatically reject Universalism). Postmillennialism doesn't limit salvation to individuals, but also emcompasses the redemption of the whole human race (but not in a Universalistic sense).

I really like the following quote. Though, I'm not sure how accurate it is because I got it from a meme, and meme quotations are notoriously inaccurate.

"Postmillennialists do not believe in the inherent goodness of man. But non-Postmillennialists seem to believe in the inherent weakness of the Gospel." - Ken Gentry


Having written the above, I don't mean to imply that I don't think a Biblical case can be made for Postmillennialism. I think one can. Just as one can make a Biblical case for the other two millennial positions. They all look so plausible to me. Though, Premillennialism seems the least plausible of the three despite the fact that I started out a Premillennialist nearly 30 years ago.


Update: See also my blogpost: Two Weaknesses of Amillennialism